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euthydemus-第6章

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The teaching of virtue; Socrates; he replied; is our principal occupation; and we believe that we can impart it better and quicker than any man。

My God! I said; and where did you learn that?  I always thought; as I was saying just now; that your chief accomplishment was the art of fighting in armour; and I used to say as much of you; for I remember that you professed this when you were here before。  But now if you really have the other knowledge; O forgive me:  I address you as I would superior beings; and ask you to pardon the impiety of my former expressions。  But are you quite sure about this; Dionysodorus and Euthydemus? the promise is so vast; that a feeling of incredulity steals over me。

You may take our word; Socrates; for the fact。

Then I think you happier in having such a treasure than the great king is in the possession of his kingdom。  And please to tell me whether you intend to exhibit your wisdom; or what will you do?

That is why we have come hither; Socrates; and our purpose is not only to exhibit; but also to teach any one who likes to learn。

But I can promise you; I said; that every unvirtuous person will want to learn。  I shall be the first; and there is the youth Cleinias; and Ctesippus:  and here are several others; I said; pointing to the lovers of Cleinias; who were beginning to gather round us。  Now Ctesippus was sitting at some distance from Cleinias; and when Euthydemus leaned forward in talking with me; he was prevented from seeing Cleinias; who was between us; and so; partly because he wanted to look at his love; and also because he was interested; he jumped up and stood opposite to us:  and all the other admirers of Cleinias; as well as the disciples of Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; followed his example。  And these were the persons whom I showed to Euthydemus; telling him that they were all eager to learn:  to which Ctesippus and all of them with one voice vehemently assented; and bid him exhibit the power of his wisdom。  Then I said:  O Euthydemus and Dionysodorus; I earnestly request you to do myself and the company the favour to exhibit。  There may be some trouble in giving the whole exhibition; but tell me one thing;can you make a good man of him only who is already convinced that he ought to learn of you; or of him also who is not convinced; either because he imagines that virtue is a thing which cannot be taught at all; or that you are not the teachers of it?  Has your art power to persuade him; who is of the latter temper of mind; that virtue can be taught; and that you are the men from whom he will best learn it?

Certainly; Socrates; said Dionysodorus; our art will do both。

And you and your brother; Dionysodorus; I said; of all men who are now living are the most likely to stimulate him to philosophy and to the study of virtue?

Yes; Socrates; I rather think that we are。

Then I wish that you would be so good as to defer the other part of the exhibition; and only try to persuade the youth whom you see here that he ought to be a philosopher and study virtue。  Exhibit that; and you will confer a great favour on me and on every one present; for the fact is I and all of us are extremely anxious that he should become truly good。  His name is Cleinias; and he is the son of Axiochus; and grandson of the old Alcibiades; cousin of the Alcibiades that now is。  He is quite young; and we are naturally afraid that some one may get the start of us; and turn his mind in a wrong direction; and he may be ruined。  Your visit; therefore; is most happily timed; and I hope that you will make a trial of the young man; and converse with him in our presence; if you have no objection。

These were pretty nearly the expressions which I used; and Euthydemus; in a manly and at the same time encouraging tone; replied:  There can be no objection; Socrates; if the young man is only willing to answer questions。

He is quite accustomed to do so; I replied; for his friends often come and ask him questions and argue with him; and therefore he is quite at home in answering。

What followed; Crito; how can I rightly narrate?  For not slight is the task of rehearsing infinite wisdom; and therefore; like the poets; I ought to commence my relation with an invocation to Memory and the Muses。  Now Euthydemus; if I remember rightly; began nearly as follows:  O Cleinias; are those who learn the wise or the ignorant?

The youth; overpowered by the question blushed; and in his perplexity looked at me for help; and I; knowing that he was disconcerted; said:  Take courage; Cleinias; and answer like a man whichever you think; for my belief is that you will derive the greatest benefit from their questions。

Whichever he answers; said Dionysodorus; leaning forward so as to catch my ear; his face beaming with laughter; I prophesy that he will be refuted; Socrates。

While he was speaking to me; Cleinias gave his answer:  and therefore I had no time to warn him of the predicament in which he was placed; and he answered that those who learned were the wise。

Euthydemus proceeded:  There are some whom you would call teachers; are there not?

The boy assented。

And they are the teachers of those who learnthe grammar…master and the lyre…master used to teach you and other boys; and you were the learners?

Yes。

And when you were learners you did not as yet know the things which you were learning?

No; he said。

And were you wise then?

No; indeed; he said。

But if you were not wise you were unlearned?

Certainly。

You then; learning what you did not know; were unlearned when you were learning?

The youth nodded assent。

Then the unlearned learn; and not the wise; Cleinias; as you imagine。

At these words the followers of Euthydemus; of whom I spoke; like a chorus at the bidding of their director; laughed and cheered。  Then; before the youth had time to recover his breath; Dionysodorus cleverly took him in hand; and said:  Yes; Cleinias; and when the grammar…master dictated anything to you; were they the wise boys or the unlearned who learned the dictation?

The wise; replied Cleinias。

Then after all the wise are the learners and not the unlearned; and your last answer to Euthydemus was wrong。

Then once more the admirers of the two heroes; in an ecstasy at their wisdom; gave vent to another peal of laughter; while the rest of us were silent and amazed。  Euthydemus; observing this; determined to persevere with the youth; and in order to heighten the effect went on asking another similar question; which might be compared to the double turn of an expert dancer。  Do those; said he; who learn; learn what they know; or what they do not know?

Again Dionysodorus whispered to me:  That; Socrates; is just another of the same sort。

Good heavens; I said; and your last question was so good!

Like all our other questions; Socrates; he repliedinevitable。

I see the reason; I said; why you are in such reputation among your disciples。

Meanwhile Cleinias had answered Euthydemus that those who learned learn what they do not know; and he put him through a series of questions the same as before。

Do you not know letters?

He assented。

All letters?

Yes。

But when the teacher dictat
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