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what    is  of  the  greatest   value   to  men�拭    �Is   it  not  that  of  which   the 



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possession will best enable a man to advise how his own and his friend's 

affairs should be administered��What will be our reply�拭�

     ERASISTRATUS�此           �I  should    say�察 �Socrates�察  �that  happiness     was   the 

most precious of human possessions。 

     SOCRATES�此        �Not   a   bad   answer。   But   do   we   not   deem   those   men 

who are most prosperous to be the happiest�拭�

     ERASISTRATUS�此           �That is my opinion。 

     SOCRATES�此         �And   are   they   not   most   prosperous   who   commit   the 

fewest errors in respect either of themselves or of other men�拭�

     ERASISTRATUS�此           �Certainly。 

     SOCRATES�此         �And   they   who   know   what   is   evil   and   what   is   good�察�

what should   be  done  and   what   should   be left  undone��these behave  the 

most wisely and make the fewest mistakes�拭�

     Erasistratus agreed to this。 

     SOCRATES�此         �Then   the   wisest   and   those   who   do   best   and the   most 

fortunate   and   the   richest   would   appear   to   be   all   one   and   the   same�察  �if 

wisdom is really the most valuable of our possessions�拭�

     Yes�察�said Eryxias�察�interposing�察�but what use would it be if a man had 

the wisdom of Nestor and wanted the necessaries of life�察�food and drink 

and clothes and the like�拭      �Where would be the advantage of wisdom then�拭�

Or how could he be the richest of men who might even have to go begging�察�

because he had not wherewithal to live�拭�

     I thought that what Eryxias was saying had some weight�察�and I replied�察�

Would the wise man really suffer in this way�察�if he were so ill´provided�察�

whereas if he had the house of Polytion�察�and the house were full of gold 

and silver�察�he would lack nothing�拭�

     ERYXIAS�此       �Yes�察�for then he might dispose of his property and obtain 

in exchange what he needed�察�or he might sell it for money with which he 

could supply his wants and in a moment procure abundance of everything。 

     SOCRATES�此         �True�察�if he could find some one who preferred such a 

house   to   the   wisdom  of   Nestor。   But   if   there   are   persons   who   set   great 

store by wisdom like Nestor's and the advantages accruing from it�察�to sell 

these�察�if he were so disposed�察�would be easier still。           Or is a house a most 

useful and necessary possession�察�and does it make a great difference in the 



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comfort   of   life   to   have   a   mansion   like   Polytion's   instead   of   living   in   a 

shabby   little   cottage�察  �whereas   wisdom   is   of   small   use   and   it   is   of   no 

importance whether a man is wise or ignorant about the highest matters�拭�

Or is wisdom despised of men and can find no buyers�察�although cypress 

wood      and     marble     of   Pentelicus     are    eagerly    bought      by   numerous 

purchasers�拭      �Surely the prudent pilot or the skilful physician�察�or the artist 

of   any   kind   who   is   proficient   in   his   art�察  �is   more   worth   than   the   things 

which are especially reckoned among riches�察�and he who can advise well 

and prudently for himself and others is able also to sell the product of his 

art�察�if he so desire。 

     Eryxias looked askance�察�as if he had received some unfair treatment�察�

and said�察�I believe�察�Socrates�察�that if you were forced to speak the truth�察�you 

would   declare   that   you   were   richer   than   Callias   the   son   of   Hipponicus。 

And yet�察�although you claimed to be wiser about things of real importance�察�

you would not any the more be richer than he。 

     I dare say�察�Eryxias�察�I said�察�that you may regard these arguments of ours 

as a kind of game�察�you think that they have no relation to facts�察�but are like 

the pieces in the game of draughts which the player can move in such a 

way that his opponents are unable to make any countermove。                         ��Compare 

Republic。��       And   perhaps�察 �too�察  �as   regards   riches   you   are   of   opinion   that 

while facts remain the same�察�there are arguments�察�no matter whether true 

or   false�察  �which   enable the   user of   them  to   prove that the   wisest   and the 

richest    are   one    and   the   same�察   �although     he   is  in  the   wrong     and   his 

opponents   are   in   the   right。    There   would   be   nothing   strange   in   this�察  �it 

would be as if two persons were to dispute about letters�察�one declaring that 

the word Socrates began with an S�察�the other that it began with an A�察�and 

the latter could gain the victory over the former。 

     Eryxias glanced at the audience�察�laughing and blushing at once�察�as if 

he had had nothing to do with what had just been said�察�and replied��No�察�

indeed�察�Socrates�察�I never supposed that our arguments should be of a kind 

which     would     never    convince     any   one   of   those   here   present    or   be  of 

advantage to them。          For what man of sense could ever be persuaded that 

the    wisest    and   the   richest   are   the   same�拭    �The     truth   is  that  we    are 

discussing   the   subject   of   riches�察  �and   my   notion   is   that   we   should   argue 



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respecting     the   honest    and   dishonest     means    of   acquiring    them�察   �and�察�

generally�察�whether they are a good thing or a bad。 

     Very good�察�I said�察�and I am obliged to you for the hint�此              �in future we 

will be more careful。       But why do not you yourself�察�as you introduced the 

argument�察�and do not think that the former discussion touched the point at 

issue�察�tell us whether you consider riches to be a good or an evil�拭�

     I am of opinion�察�he said�察�that they are a good。             He was about to add 

something more�察�when Critias interrupted him��Do you really suppose so�察�

Eryxias�拭�

     Certainly�察�replied Eryxias�察�I should be mad if I did not�此             �and I do not 

fancy that you would find any one else of a contrary opinion。 

     And I�察�retorted Critias�察�should say that there is no one whom I could 

not compel to admit that riches are bad for some men。                But surely�察�if they 

were a good�察�they could not appear bad for any one�拭�

     Here    I  interposed    and   said  to  them�此   �If   you   two   were   having    an 

argument about equitation and what was the best way of riding�察�supposing 

that I knew the art myself�察�I should try to bring you to an agreement。                 For 

I   should   be   ashamed   if   I   were   present   and   did   not   do   what   I   could   to 

prevent     your    difference。     
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