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ERYXIAS�此 �Certainly。
SOCRATES�此 �And so�察�too�察�physic is not useful to every one�察�but only
to him who knows how to use it�拭�
ERYXIAS�此 �True。
SOCRATES�此 �And the same is the case with everything else�拭�
ERYXIAS�此 �Yes。
SOCRATES�此 �Then gold and silver and all the other elements which
are supposed to make up wealth are only useful to the person who knows
how to use them�拭�
ERYXIAS�此 �Exactly。
SOCRATES�此 �And were we not saying before that it was the business
of a good man and a gentleman to know where and how anything should
be used�拭�
ERYXIAS�此 �Yes。
SOCRATES�此 �The good and gentle�察�therefore will alone have profit
from these things�察 �supposing at least that they know how to use them。
But if so�察�to them only will they seem to be wealth。 It appears�察�however�察�
that where a person is ignorant of riding�察�and has horses which are useless
to him�察 �if some one teaches him that art�察 �he makes him also richer�察 �for
what was before useless has now become useful to him�察�and in giving him
knowledge he has also conferred riches upon him。
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ERYXIAS�此 �That is the case。
SOCRATES�此 �Yet I dare be sworn that Critias will not be moved a
whit by the argument。
CRITIAS�此 �No�察 �by heaven�察 �I should be a madman if I were。 But
why do you not finish the argument which proves that gold and silver and
other things which seem to be wealth are not real wealth�拭�For I have
been exceedingly delighted to hear the discourses which you have just
been holding。
SOCRATES�此 �My argument�察 �Critias ��I said���察 �appears to have given
you the same kind of pleasure which you might have derived from some
rhapsode's recitation of Homer�察�for you do not believe a word of what has
been said。 But come now�察�give me an answer to this question。 Are not
certain things useful to the builder when he is building a house�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �They are。
SOCRATES�此 �And would you say that those things are useful which
are employed in house building��stones and bricks and beams and the like�察�
and also the instruments with which the builder built the house�察�the beams
and stones which they provided�察�and again the instruments by which these
were obtained�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �It seems to me that they are all useful for building。
SOCRATES�此 �And is it not true of every art�察 �that not only the
materials but the instruments by which we procure them and without
which the work could not go on�察�are useful for that art�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Certainly。
SOCRATES�此 �And further�察�the instruments by which the instruments
are procured�察�and so on�察�going back from stage to stage ad infinitum��are
not all these�察�in your opinion�察�necessary in order to carry out the work�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �We may fairly suppose such to be the case。
SOCRATES�此 �And if a man has food and drink and clothes and the
other things which are useful to the body�察�would he need gold or silver or
any other means by which he could procure that which he now has�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �I do not think so。
SOCRATES�此 �Then you consider that a man never wants any of these
things for the use of the body�拭�
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CRITIAS�此 �Certainly not。
SOCRATES�此 �And if they appear useless to this end�察�ought they not
always to appear useless�拭 �For we have already laid down the principle
that things cannot be at one time useful and at another time not�察 �in the
same process。
CRITIAS�此 �But in that respect your argument and mine are the same。
For you maintain if they are useful to a certain end�察�they can never become
useless�察�whereas I say that in order to accomplish some results bad things
are needed�察�and good for others。
SOCRATES�此 �But can a bad thing be used to carry out a good
purpose�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �I should say not。
SOCRATES�此 �And we call those actions good which a man does for
the sake of virtue�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Yes。
SOCRATES�此 �But can a man learn any kind of knowledge which is
imparted by word of mouth if he is wholly deprived of the sense of
hearing�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Certainly not�察�I think。
SOCRATES�此 �And will not hearing be useful for virtue�察 �if virtue is
taught by hearing and we use the sense of hearing in giving instruction�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Yes。
SOCRATES�此 �And since medicine frees the sick man from his disease�察�
that art too may sometimes appear useful in the acquisition of virtue�察�e。g。
when hearing is procured by the aid of medicine。
CRITIAS�此 �Very likely。
SOCRATES�此 �But if�察�again�察�we obtain by wealth the aid of medicine�察�
shall we not regard wealth as useful for virtue�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �True。
SOCRATES�此 �And also the instruments by which wealth is procured�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Certainly。
SOCRATES�此 �Then you think that a man may gain wealth by bad and
disgraceful means�察�and�察�having obtained the aid of medicine which enables
him to acquire the power of hearing�察 �may use that very faculty for the
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acquisition of virtue�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Yes�察�I do。
SOCRATES�此 �But can that which is evil be useful for virtue�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �No。
SOCRATES�此 �It is not therefore necessary that the means by which
we obtain what is useful for a certain object should always be useful for
the same object�此 �for it seems that bad actions may sometimes serve good
purposes�拭 �The matter will be still plainer if we look at it in this way��If
things are useful towards the several ends for which they exist�察�which ends
would not come into existence without them�察�how would you regard them�拭�
Can ignorance�察�for instance�察�be useful for knowledge�察�or disease for health�察�
or vice for virtue�拭�
CRITIAS�此 �Never。
SOCRATES�此 �And yet we have already agreedhave we not��that
there can be no knowledge where there has not previously been ignorance�察�
nor health where there has not been disease�察�nor virtue where there has not
been vice�拭�